Some of our customers are very flawed people by modern standard. They make Judgements ! Yes, I know. They even Discriminate. Shocking, eh what? They look askance at 'Inclusiveness' and 'Tolerance'. Even at 'offence'. Indeed many have quite different ideas about what those concepts actually mean to those who prefer the Politically Correct howls of protest.
Most here are very welcoming but have short ranges of what is acceptible for being accepted. Even out there in Hilary's Village most people would baulk at inviting Jack the Ripper in for afternoon tea. Not into their own house that is. Someone elses though ?..... that's another matter. They would object strongly to a meth lab being set up in the house next door by a Columbian drug cartel moonlighting. But in someone else's street? Hmmmm.
Only the dimmest of people would tolerate people who approve of murder and rape and slavery, surely, one might think. Or maybe the Dhimmiest. We don't get many of those people in the Tavern. But other Institutions do.
Koran should be read at Prince Charles' coronation says top bishop:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2853638/Koran-read-Prince-Charles-coronation-says-bishop-Critics-attack-proposal-accuse-Church-England-losing-confidence-traditions.htmlLord Harries said gesture would be a ‘creative act of accommodation’. Speaking in House of Lords he claimed it would help Muslims feel ‘embraced’Critics attacked idea insisting 'British values stem from Christian heritage'. They attack proposal and accuse Church of England of 'losing confidence' in its own traditions.
Well, we might just see those Critics here in the Tavern someday, but Lord Harries may need to ask our Bouncer about coming in.
|Someone should tell Prince Chuck that he has a button missing.
So, he is a Bishop of the C of E. That tells us quite a lot.Prince Charles’s coronation service should be opened with a reading from the Koran, a senior Church of England bishop said yesterday. The gesture would be a ‘creative act of accommodation’ to make Muslims feel ‘embraced’ by the nation, Lord Harries of Pentregarth said.
But critics attacked the idea, accusing the Church of ‘losing confidence’ in its own institutions and traditions.
Lord Harries, a former Bishop of Oxford and a leading CofE liberal thinker, said he was sure Charles’s coronation would give scope to leaders of non-Christian religions to give their blessing to the new King.
Liberal thinker? Is that what they call it. How polite. He does not suggest what should be read from the Koran, but I have some suggestions he - and you - could consider, at the end of this post.
Now that raises a 'proper' point. The UK has a law - the Catholic Emancipation Act - which allows Catholic Englishmen almost as many rights as a protestant, heretic one. The catholic chap (or chapess for that matter) cannot be Monarch, Consort to the Monarch, Prime Minister or Chancellor. There was a quite successful PM some time back who was Jewish though. Odd that.The former Bishop of Oxford, who continues to serve as an assistant bishop in the diocese of Southwark, made the suggestion about the Koran during a House of Lords debate. He told peers the Church of England should take the lead in ‘exercising its historic position in a hospitable way’.
He said that at a civic service in Bristol Cathedral last year authorities had agreed to a reading of the opening passage of the Koran before the beginning of the Christian ritual. He said: ‘It was a brilliant creative act of accommodation that made the Muslim high sheriff feel, as she said, warmly embraced but did not alienate the core congregation.
‘That principle of hospitality can and should be reflected in many public ceremonies, including the next coronation service.’
Lord Harries’ suggestion comes more than 20 years after the Prince first said he would prefer to be seen as ‘Defender of Faith’ rather than be known by the monarch’s title of ‘Defender of the Faith’.
Charles said in 1994 he ‘always felt the Catholic subjects of the sovereign are equally as important as the Anglican ones, as the Protestant ones’.
Prince Chuck may have a salient point. But I fear he is just as loose in his thinking as ever.
‘Likewise, I think that Islamic subjects, or the Hindu subjects, or the Zoroastrian subjects of the sovereign, are of equal and vital importance.’
In 2006 the Prince made known that he wanted a multifaith coronation that would be more ‘focused and telecentric’ than his mother’s in 1953.
Count me as one of those, although I could think of a more pointed word to use.However traditionalist Christians condemned Lord Harries’s idea. Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute think-tank said: ‘Most people will be amazed at the idea that a Christian leader would consider the use of the Koran at a Christian service in a Christian abbey.
People are just so disappointed when senior Church of England figures lose confidence in the claims of the Christian faith.’
Andrea Minichiello Williams, a member of the CofE’s parliament, the General Synod, and head of the Christian Concern pressure group, said: ‘At a time when we are looking at what British values mean, we cannot have values in a vacuum.
Here I have to cheer him on. Not only are all religions NOT the same but some 'beliefs' that are passed off as religions by the illiterati, the cultural marxists, the socialists, the thickos of whatever hue, are not even religions at all.British values stem from our Christian heritage.
‘We cannot pretend all religions are the same, or have the same benefits and outcomes for the nation.’
ISLAM in NOT a ReligionIslam was a political theology invented to counter Religion - Judaism and it's child Christianity. Its roots and inspiration is Demonic, just as its Koran, behaviour and adherents demonstrate daily.
The likelihood of that is remote.Douglas Murray, associate editor of the Spectator, said if Muslims were included in the coronation service, there must be room to for Hindus, Sikhs, and atheists.
He added: ‘If there were to be a reading from the Koran at the coronation, surely as a matter of reciprocity, all mosques in the UK should have prayers for the King and the Armed Forces every week at Friday prayers.’
Muslim clerics are not as stupid as C of E ones.
I will continue to encourage customers to 'Love the Sinner and hate the Sin', but make sure they understand that there are two parts to it.
The individual 'muslim' person may be a fine healthy human being with arms and legs to love, but while he continues to kill, encourage killing, teaches his children to kill and even kills his children when they dare to think a little more broadly that his archaic, demonic creed demand, then I shall shun him.
I will NOT tolerate Islam.
It is offensive to anything that bears even a slight resemblance to civilised thinking and behaving.
You may note that Mr Condell is no fan of Catholics, but he is nevertheless welcome in my Tavern, as he usually behaves himself quite well. My judgement call.
I will not cease to exercise normal adult Judgement and Discriminate the Islamic creed from far more reasonable ones.
Bishop Harries 'offends', too.
Is it any wonder that such a 'tolerant', 'inclusive' view comes from a bishop in a 'church' established by a King whose attitudes differed from Mohammed's only in the detail: a King who would have had Harries' head on the axman's block in a trice; a King who slaughtered Catholics and stole the heritage of an entire people (not that Henry was inspired by Sunnis and Shits, of course, but he did have an Earl wipe his bottom for him); a King who was almost as 'in Thrall' to the Prince of Lies as Prince Chuck is to Greenery and UFO hunting
I suggest to the Bishop that if he is to call for any readings they shoud be from the Original Catholic Bible. But if he is insisting that some fool reads from the Koran in a Christian Cathedral, perhaps he can take what this chap suggests:
And get rid of Islam from a once and tacitly Christian country.
Now where did I put my sword.