tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post7126518644360538155..comments2023-09-06T22:30:02.061+10:00Comments on The Knight & Drummer: Prostitutes & Politicians.Amfortashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-41122958216282561722014-09-13T08:07:07.723+10:002014-09-13T08:07:07.723+10:00Your comments are appreciated and really glad to k...Your comments are appreciated and really glad to know that my little story could help shed some light on an issue that is very much misunderstood.<br />It is interesting to note your last line about entitlements, because before my Asia trip I was living in Holland and living with a Dutch heiress; very old money, tall, blond and remarkably beautiful; a Teutonic Amazonian, if you can imagine..... <br />I am not sure if she told me the truth because nothing happened, and it could have been a test, but she also said she could be pregnant, but illegitimate in Europe is not the same as Asia.<br />I should also say my kids are absolutely amazing; my daughter plays County cricket, played against England women, Wales, and Holland. All five foot of her also plays senior cricket against men and her confidence level is immense. When we lived in the States, her teachers came to me and said they and never met and girl like her, a few were in tears when we left.<br />She is going to go far, but it could have all been a lot different if i had not met my responsibility. No regrets. None at all.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-63302511925964813632014-09-12T19:31:42.104+10:002014-09-12T19:31:42.104+10:00Please excuse my occasional typos. Old Khayyam his...Please excuse my occasional typos. Old Khayyam hisself, whose words can be found on the left of the bar, also wrote about the moving finger that writes and moves on. Even I cannot cancel out my own typos.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-37348533293275155212014-09-12T19:27:33.742+10:002014-09-12T19:27:33.742+10:00That is an 'experience' brought to the bar...That is an 'experience' brought to the bar that deserves a pint. Or two. There are many men who might find some sympathy with the view that they just want to 'tale away' from that life some particular girl or other. It is inherent in a man- part of his masculine make-up - to provide and protect, and while this is usually in a more 'standard' context, it is easy to see how a prostitute can elicit the response. <br /><br />And here is a fine chap who has stepped up with a long term committment. I raise m'glass. <br /><br />While experiences such as this - again in context of a foreign waif - can be, as you say, seen in many instances if one cares to look, it is rarer in our western society. Perhaps the behaviour and 'entitlement' demands of young western girls caught in the same single-mother trap deters theat masculine 'instinct' to take them away from that life.<br /><br />Thank you for adding to this discussion. The pints are on the bar whenever you want to drop by.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-22976983494552084632014-09-12T06:43:55.912+10:002014-09-12T06:43:55.912+10:00I posted this over at Nourishing Obscurity and was...I posted this over at Nourishing Obscurity and was ibvited by your host to repost here; look forward to your comments;<br /><br />Thought would jump in with my experience of the flesh trade; I married an Asian bar girl 20 odd year ago and have 3 kids. Many of my friends also married bar girls, with most remaining happily married to this day with almost identical stories as mine.<br /><br />Looking back, I was definitely carrying the oft talked of white man’s burden, and I am proud of my decision. Basically, she was young and fruity and at 18 already had a young son with a native who had shipped out to Diego Garcia. The only real employment was a factory, or dancing; and boy talk about a bus mans holiday; they just love to dance ; )<br /><br />She told me she had been offered a “modelling” job in Lebanon, which made me feel ill; because one can pretty much guess what it entailed. To cut a long story short, we fell pregnant, and after some 7 months of consideration, I decided to do the right thing and married her. The thought of my flesh and blood running around a slum in Asia was too much to bear.<br /><br />After just 16 months in Asia I was married, with two kids, one of whom was 2 years old.<br /><br />Next week, my daughter will start at a Russell Group Uni studying law. My stepson is a Lloyds Broker in the city and my youngest is heading to college and plans to head to an Ivy League uni.<br /><br />I would think that a large proportion of men that use hookers, would like to “take them away from all this” and look after them. In my case, and dozens of my friends, we have had a major impact on their lives and have been able to provide opportunities that most could only dream of; extreme social mobility if you like.<br /><br />I would think my story could be repeated across the world. From Kiev, Bangkok to Managua and San Paolo. Peasants condemned through the accident of birth to running barefoot in the gutter have managed to have the next generations attend some of the world’s best universities, all because of prostitution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-51772906601391759232014-09-10T14:36:10.840+10:002014-09-10T14:36:10.840+10:00Aha ! Glad to see you have mastered the door, my d...Aha ! Glad to see you have mastered the door, my dear ! hahaha. Thank you, and maybe thanks to Mishka is more in order.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-84741516277874378202014-09-10T14:22:47.864+10:002014-09-10T14:22:47.864+10:00Very good post my dear friend:)Very good post my dear friend:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-58450842648714271202014-09-10T11:19:34.104+10:002014-09-10T11:19:34.104+10:00I do not think prostitution was adversely affected...I do not think prostitution was adversely affected by the sexual revolution. If anything it propelled many a woman into the sex trade.for whom it otherwise would not have been the case. The Fatherhood issue is very important in my experience. Perhaps you might elaborate for the rest here. Motherhood is too. In my own personal knowledge of many, many RNGs the active involvement of mothers in their daughter's prostitution is kept even more secret (or at least unacknowledged) as the children (under-aged) issue.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-77748171090831245272014-09-10T11:14:05.095+10:002014-09-10T11:14:05.095+10:00Agreed, on each point, cherie. The industry can be...Agreed, on each point, cherie. The industry can be very dark and dirty. One rarely asks if the men are exploited though. Have you noticed that? By focussing attention on women as victim and men as perpetrator, the Nordic Model seeks to ignore that men pay in an unconscionable contract and seeks only to punish them.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-82970493113645333292014-09-10T10:56:39.685+10:002014-09-10T10:56:39.685+10:00The 1960's sexual revolution solved that didn&...The 1960's sexual revolution solved that didn't it? Free sex was everywhere. I knew VERY few men who paid for sex. I've always wonder why men paid for sex when any decent man could, with a bit of effort get sex for free.<br /><br />And there's another questions, about the morality of one night stands. In the eyes of the Christians, that is a sin. And there is good reason for that too. <br /><br />I've known a few prostitutes, and they came from absent fathers, and sex to them, was the ONLY power they felt in their lives, and the money was great. One of them I know, has two vipers, a farm...but a son who is in prison. <br /><br />Now that she is older she wants to marry, but no man, despite all her riches, wants her. <br /><br />Maybe you can explain that to me. <br /><br />But, I agree. You cannot punish the man and not the prostitute. I think a bigger issue is the sex trade of the children, which is kept very secret. <br /><br />It's all politics, isn't it? <br /><br />You did a lot of deep thinking on this one...good sort! .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-6395308653582467422014-09-10T08:53:46.699+10:002014-09-10T08:53:46.699+10:00I clicked onto Mishka's blog after she comment...I clicked onto Mishka's blog after she commented here a couple of days ago. I was quite blown away by her writing. I bookmarked her blog for more in depth reading when I have more time particularly as 'Yugoslavia' as it was, seeped into my heart when I had the privilege to visit on more than one occasion.<br /><br />Now getting to the point of your post. Prostitution is a moral issue and the women are not exploited by the men who choose to pay for those services. Choices are made by each party for different reasons.<br /><br />The women who choose prostitution as career path can however be exploited by others (male of female) who promote their services.<br /><br />There are underlying reasons for all of these actions. The reasons are the start point for making changes rather than criminalising those who are involved in the sex industry, be they a promoter, provider or partaker.CherryPiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11788084724907992076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-75728970113736678042014-09-10T00:53:40.594+10:002014-09-10T00:53:40.594+10:00Indeed, and I did point out at the closing that th...Indeed, and I did point out at the closing that the points raised are just some of the salient issues that can be discussed. Thank you for your observations.<br /><br />The main feature of the drive toward the 'Nordic Model' IS Feminism however, as illustrated by the quotations Mishka brings us. <br /><br />By the way Lana, I am sure you and she would find kindred intellect and perhaps even some similarity of experience on the 'international conflict' observations.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-12272118597718640512014-09-09T22:45:25.360+10:002014-09-09T22:45:25.360+10:00I think there is more to the opposition to prostit...I think there is more to the opposition to prostitution than feminist ideology. Most women have a sort of visceral abhorrence of any alternative outlet for male sexuality that cannot be controlled and feminists are capitalising on this.<br /><br />For most of history, men controlled the bulk of the resources, but women controlled something that men wanted. Most people lived in relatively small communities. Therefore if some women were "giving it away too easily", they would be shamed by their female peers. They were called cheap and the word was meant literally. The were literally undercutting the prices of the competition. They were lowering the market value of the most valuable female resource. <br /><br />When feminists complain about "slut-shaming" they are describing the shaming of a woman who is expressing her sexuality too freely. They miss the point that "slut-shaming" is almost always something that is done by other women, and always has been. It is women who have always attempted to police female sexuality in order to keep its value high by limiting the supply.<br /><br />Every granny has at some point admonished her daughter with some form of the following - "Don't give away the farm to easily." "He won't buy the cow if he can get free milk." Mothers wanted their daughters to marry the local squire's son, not the guy who looked after the goats, and the local squire's son was unlikely to want to marry the girl who had a reputation for running around with goat guy. So female sexuality was also guarded in order to secure a good marriage.<br /><br />Most of all though, it was about peer pressure; keeping the value of the female resource high so that women could extract a higher price from men in terms of resources and commitment. That is why most women are instinctively against prostitution, porn etc. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16752904629887443786noreply@blogger.com