tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post5311846773540723264..comments2023-09-06T22:30:02.061+10:00Comments on The Knight & Drummer: The Thinking Man & WomanAmfortashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-49468343654735732322018-01-25T17:30:26.967+11:002018-01-25T17:30:26.967+11:00I have had the privilege of poking around in peopl...I have had the privilege of poking around in people's heads for several decades and have quite a good experience of how people think.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-65512179418119216012018-01-24T20:43:27.970+11:002018-01-24T20:43:27.970+11:00Another point is that thinking in words is probabl...<em>Another point is that thinking in words is probably the most common mode in males as well as females. </em><br /><br />We can never know exactly how others think. We just naturally assume they follow the same processes that we do. But maybe they don't. <br /><br />I've always had an odd knack for mental arithmetic. I seem to be able to do mental arithmetic more easily and more quickly than most people and I do see the numbers forming patterns in my head. On the other hand I have almost zero spatial ability. N is always amazed by my complete uselessness when it comes to trying to read a map. When I've done IQ tests they've always demonstrated an extreme skew towards verbal IQ. <br /><br />But I honestly have no idea whether the way I think is very uncommon or incredibly common.<br /><br />It's the same with emotions. We can never be quite sure whether other people have the same emotional landscape that we have.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-21944941678478111232018-01-24T11:11:03.379+11:002018-01-24T11:11:03.379+11:00Brooding can become quite a problem. Depression, a...Brooding can become quite a problem. Depression, anxiety, catastophising all have brooding as a component. And that brings us to another isse which is 'levels' of thinking. There is 'stuff' going on constantly, deep down, that we are mostly unaware of. Most often words, phrases, voices. Most often highly negative, critical, urgent. We can hear it when we quieten ourselves. It is there even though we are thinking something else. <br /><br />Another point is that thinking in words is probably the most common mode in males as well as females. Most literature is (was) from men. Most philosophy - extreme thinking - is by men, in words. Precise definition, arrived at by deep and precise thought, is essential in philosophy.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-8403713464539775132018-01-24T10:48:15.487+11:002018-01-24T10:48:15.487+11:00I noticed a lot of mental illness in young men now...<em>I noticed a lot of mental illness in young men nowadays. Men seem to feel better about things when they can take an action oriented activity to resolve their problems. Talking and whining about seems to spiral most of them further into depression.</em><br /><br />Agreed. And we live in a society in which men are told that they should (indeed must) talk about their feelings endlessly.<br /><br /><em>My husband would prefer to go take a martial arts class or do some kind aggressive activity to help him get past something. </em><br /><br />Yep. My own experience as a man is that the best way to deal with such things is to do something else. Anything else. Anything that keeps my mind off the problem. Anything that keeps me from brooding about it. Anything is better than talking about it! In many cases the problem just resolves itself, or a solution presents itself, or I just learn to accept it and move on.<br /><br />Whereas N (I guess you could call her my Significant Other although It's Complicated) deals with problems by talking and talking and talking about them.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-49969409384004737412018-01-24T09:55:21.006+11:002018-01-24T09:55:21.006+11:00Calm down and have a pint. I never said you 'c...<em>Calm down and have a pint. I never said you 'claimed superiority'. Some do.</em><br /><br />There are indeed people who do this and it's one of the things that really worries me. It worries me especially that so many people on the right, and especially the alt-right, seem to view differences between people as being all about superiority/inferiority. It's one of the reasons that I'm very suspicious of the HBD crowd and their IQ fetishism. <br /><br /><em>So often we find that was passes for logic is not logical at all but a persuasive informal fallacy in disguise. </em><br /><br />And most of us like to think that other people base their opinions on feelings and prejudices whilst our own opinions are based on reason and fact. That's another common trap that people on the political right are inclined to fall into.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-1019912513949025392018-01-24T04:58:12.728+11:002018-01-24T04:58:12.728+11:00I don't feel right about this post! It's ...I don't feel right about this post! It's not fair! It should be re-written! ;)<br /><br />I can agree that there are many men who allow emotions to override reason and logic. Especially in the younger generation. I can remember one in particular who was constantly complaining about how he was living in poverty for over a decade or so. "Doing the same thing and expecting different results" kindof thing. He was highly intelligent I could tell.... But not unique from my experience with so many young men nowadays unfortunately. <br /><br />I think many of the younger males are doing what they have been taught to do post feminism. Which is to act on feelings instead of coming up with solutions to problems in their lives. It just doesn't seem to work as well with men. Not in most cases anyways. The end result is a perverted version of manhood that can't seem to get things done. I noticed a lot of mental illness in young men nowadays. Men seem to feel better about things when they can take an action oriented activity to resolve their problems. Talking and whining about seems to spiral most of them further into depression. I have noticed a lot of younger males struggle with mental illness. <br /><br />Women generally feel better when we talk about our problems, it helps us move past them quicker and easier. My husband would prefer to go take a martial arts class or do some kindof aggressive activity to help him get past something. <br /><br />Alot of young women are trying to suppress our nurturing and intuitive instincts. That is what so many in the younger generation have been taught. We get the same perverted end result of womanhood. Mentally ill women who can't function in society.<br /><br />Infants cannot process logical cues, they process emotional cues. For the first 5 or so years anyway. It's why it's so important for women to have a certain amount of emotional intelligence and nurturing capacity. It is imperiative for our offspring. <br /><br />We don't make nature, we learn to accept it, and adapt to it.<br /><br />Good post dear friend:)<br />TSGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-10943450035065596582018-01-23T21:39:29.809+11:002018-01-23T21:39:29.809+11:00Calm down and have a pint. I never said you 'c...Calm down and have a pint. I never said you 'claimed superiority'. Some do.<br /><br />""You seem to be making the error of thinking that because there are individual variations within a group this means that there are no significant differences between groups. "" Crikey you are trying to outdo Cathy Newman. I am not at all in error here. I did not say anything about 'no significant differences'. I have sat and anlysed so many people in my time, and have a far greater experience of differences and different styles. Sure there are outliers, extremes. But they are rare, almost by definition and lead us into the world of autism. <br /><br />It is not about one style being better. Appropriate to the task perhaps but not exclusively. <br /><br />One small? matter not touched on, which I will here, is April's stream of words. The question is not asked whether the words are useful, accurate etc. Coherent even. Whose words are they? Words heard from someone else? A repetition of conversation? Are they original thoughts (very rare) or mantras taken from the wide variety of comms sources we use? <br /><br />And the 'feelings' issue. Many 'claims' are made about feelings but in my experience most people (read, women) have a very poor idea of what they feel (hardly surprising as feelings are very slippery and slide into one another all too easily) and the words they use to delineate are more often than not quite off the mark. Hense the 'advice' to stop the words, examine them, put them to the test, applies just as much to them as any.<br /><br />That advive stands for the mathematical and logically inclined. The figures need to be checked and rechecked. Calculation can be wrong. Analyse. Logic is yet another issue. How many men have actually studied logic. So often we find that was passes for logic is not logical at all but a persuasive informal fallacy in disguise. <br /><br />I started the post saying that we prefer certainty. It ain't certain until all avenues have been explored, and even then.....<br />Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-37539813836187786392018-01-23T20:57:41.481+11:002018-01-23T20:57:41.481+11:00They prefer 'claims' to superiority.
I&#...<em>They prefer 'claims' to superiority. </em><br /><br />I've never made claims to superiority. Just difference. Emotion-based thinking is superior in some circumstances, inferior in others. Just as verbal intelligence is more useful in some situations while spatial intelligence is better in other situations. Rigidly logical thinking can in some situations be disastrous. <br /><br />God (or evolution depending on your belief system) has set things up so that men and women have different strengths. Difference does not imply superiority/inferiority. Dolphins are not superior to monkeys but monkeys won't last long in the ocean and dolphins won't last long in the jungle. <br /><br /><em>There is as much variation of thinking style between members of the same sex as between members of opposites. </em><br /><br />You seem to be making the error of thinking that because there are individual variations within a group this means that there are no significant differences between groups. My sister-in-law is taller than I am. Does that mean that women are on average just as tall as men? Of course not. Are men better than women because they're taller? Of course not.<br /><br />Feminists and liberals are the people who see sex differences as an issue of superiority/inferiority. Ironically they're the ones who see men as superior because they're the ones encouraging women to be like men.<br /><br /><em>Engineers. Yes, logical types: numerical and spatial types. But they recognise a fine design with a sense of pleasure. That is emotion. They 'know' when something is 'right' because right and f*ck up is a value judgement.</em><br /><br />F*ck up is a bit more than a value judgement when your aircraft falls out of the sky because the aeronautical engineer trusted his emotions rather than his equations! ;-)dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-89276375162059922002018-01-23T17:24:09.622+11:002018-01-23T17:24:09.622+11:00First, a person of either gender has to be aware (...First, a person of either gender has to be aware (apprehend) just how they usually think. That does not happen too often. I was impressed by April's inquiries. She is a young women going about things in a reasonable manner.<br /><br />There is as much variation of thinking style between members of the same sex as between members of opposites. At the individual level it becomes very apparent on a one to one basis between sexes. They respond to one another and differences show up more clearly. <br /><br />I cannot agree with Dfor, as I have met all too many men who not only cannot think their way out of a paper bag but get quite emotional about it. Even angry! As for women.... what man would want to inhabit a mind so sloshed around in a wild sea of hormones on a regular basis. It is astonishing that women can make themselves coherent to many men. Anyway, many men have so much flotsam and jetsom sloshing in their own heads as to render preferences moot.<br /><br />The issue is that there are modes of thinking which most are unaware of. They do not even apprehend let alone comprehend them. They prefer 'claims' to superiority. <br /><br />Engineers. Yes, logical types: numerical and spatial types. But they recognise a fine design with a sense of pleasure. That is emotion. They 'know' when something is 'right' because right and f*ck up is a value judgement. Value. A preference. A 'liking'. An emotional orientation. Get it right and he/ she will be elated ! Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-85833536912455400342018-01-23T13:57:26.394+11:002018-01-23T13:57:26.394+11:00It's pretty amazing, and terrifying, that the ...It's pretty amazing, and terrifying, that the very idea that men and women think differently is controversial. If you've ever spent five minutes talking to a member of the opposite sex you know that they think in a completely different way.<br /><br />One example. If the facts don't coincide with his feelings a man is more likely to accept the facts. If the facts don't coincide with her feelings a woman is more likely to reject the facts. To a woman emotions are at least as real, if not more real, than facts.<br /><br />That's not a fault in women. Emotions are real. In some situations it's right to go with your feelings. But it's not a good principle to apply if you want to be an engineer.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-26232755458348124522018-01-23T12:16:52.881+11:002018-01-23T12:16:52.881+11:00Personally I tend to think visually and intuitivel...Personally I tend to think visually and intuitively. Usually (but not always) I could explain how I got to my point of view.<br /><br />When it comes to words my natural tendency is condense my thought into a summary. I was particularly good at that exercise in my school examinations and tests (when we had to cut out all superfluous words from a presented text). <br /><br />At work when people were debating things endlessly to get to a conclusion I would give a one line statement along the lines of 'isn't this what we need to do?' Depending on the personalities it would either stop the conversation immediately because my point was the answer. Or my comment caused the conversation to change direction and in this instance my point may or may not have been found correct and the end of the debate.<br /><br />I personally don't think that male and female brains are wired differently. Reason and logic might be predominant in a male and emotion predominant in a female. Life experiences and personal choices can change the balance of reason, logic and emotion.CherryPiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11788084724907992076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-48610564457399167402018-01-22T21:46:43.292+11:002018-01-22T21:46:43.292+11:00Wot? No multitasking? I apprehend but do not compr...Wot? No multitasking? I apprehend but do not comprehend.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-13067768515571107642018-01-22T20:31:34.149+11:002018-01-22T20:31:34.149+11:00{Drink. Think.}
Hmm, cheers old man ... I can onl...{Drink. Think.}<br /><br />Hmm, cheers old man ... I can only do one at a timeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com