tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post3881424453003465337..comments2023-09-06T22:30:02.061+10:00Comments on The Knight & Drummer: The Church of Down at Heel.Amfortashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-18394603618853884562017-07-30T22:09:01.837+10:002017-07-30T22:09:01.837+10:00Cherie - my original lost comment was similar in s...Cherie - my original lost comment was similar in subject matter to yours and ended with thanking the Catholic church for bringing the world the "good news." :)<br /><br />Amen, Cherie - and you never ramble. Have you seen MY comments? THAT's a ramble. ;)Chrysalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972571880025416943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-90367930695841840662017-07-30T21:44:20.146+10:002017-07-30T21:44:20.146+10:00Hi A - Yes, he truly was joking for effect, but st...Hi A - Yes, he truly was joking for effect, but still a bit of coarse reply/figure of speech, thus my (teasing) "hush and eat pudding" ;) Thank you for the drinks, hugs to you. I'm off to do more packing and moving :)Chrysalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972571880025416943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-57405032153531130652017-07-30T14:06:56.329+10:002017-07-30T14:06:56.329+10:00A note for Chrystal: Thank you for the note in the...A note for Chrystal: Thank you for the note in the post box. Misinterpretations are par for the course in human communication. Rest assured there is always a fine drink of choice here for you. I value your custom. :) <br /><br />PS, my regards to your Catholic husband and tell him that we do our own condemning of ourselves to Hell. Christ would prefer we didn't even look down into it. The Catholic Church condemns no -one, but instead offers a hand that helps. Other christian churches, in the main, try as well.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-9902081024395344402017-07-30T13:53:22.094+10:002017-07-30T13:53:22.094+10:00My Great Supplier will be smiling at all the work ...My Great Supplier will be smiling at all the work those fine missionaries do, and enjoying the aromas that go up to His Celestial Tavern, especially as you try out all the exotic recipes. He will smile upon you too, m'dear. Meanwhile, drinks are on this humble tavern.<br />Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-32978546158926206102017-07-30T12:31:33.147+10:002017-07-30T12:31:33.147+10:00Yes, I should've known my badly-worded sentenc...Yes, I should've known my badly-worded sentence would be microscoped, misinterpreted and misused to the advantage of those so inclined - why break tradition? :)<br /><br />I can only reply that I personally don't consider the Church of Self or Satan an actual denomination, but whatever floats imaginary boats :)Chrysalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972571880025416943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-44123123356904960922017-07-30T10:50:15.460+10:002017-07-30T10:50:15.460+10:00When visiting the old Cathedrals (all originally C...When visiting the old Cathedrals (all originally Catholic) and other church buildings we are reminded that the they were built for the love (and glory) of God.<br /><br />That action and the product of the action is the treasure to inspire human hearts to come to know God through Jesus. The material assets have no monetary value.<br /><br />I received something through post this morning, something that was more than I expected. In response to an email (from a Christian publication I subscribe to) I took up the offer of a free cookbook with recipes. I was expecting a small leaflet about missionary work of an organisation with some recipes from the places the organisation served, giving relief, aid, the means to help themselves and sharing the Christian message.<br /><br />A hardback book arrived. The book has recipes from the regions served, stories of people who live there and stories of the missionaries that serve there. The book was accompanied by additional material about the places that are currently supported and the problems encountered. All these remote areas are accessed by plane!<br /><br />So getting back to one of your points! Missionary work (spreading the message) is one of the most important things a Christian should do.<br /><br />Sorry for rambling on a bit...CherryPiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11788084724907992076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-53481437848039520602017-07-30T00:57:29.459+10:002017-07-30T00:57:29.459+10:00" If it weren't for the Catholic church, ..." If it weren't for the Catholic church, we would have no other denominations, they set the bar :) "<br /><br />Agreed.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-72500900937038558002017-07-29T12:33:17.623+10:002017-07-29T12:33:17.623+10:00Yes, I like that analogy. Drinks on the House for ...Yes, I like that analogy. Drinks on the House for you all evening, m'dear.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-25531722023182345712017-07-29T07:49:57.466+10:002017-07-29T07:49:57.466+10:00PS - Just on more thing for a smile and then I'...PS - Just on more thing for a smile and then I'll hush. I read the gist of this post to my husband, who is Catholic, along with the comment I just left about Protestant Christians dissing Catholics being like slapping our grandparents.<br /><br />He said: "Oh everyone who's not Catholic and has a problem with Catholics can go straight to hell." (Yes, he's joking).<br /><br />Thus, I said, "All right, Grandpa Catholic, that's enough outta you - sit quietly and eat your pudding nicely with others, please, or they'll be no ashtray-making in arts and crafts time for you later." (Yes, I was joking too.)<br /><br />I said no 'slapping' our Catholic 'grandparents' - not that we couldn't remind them to mind their manners and be nice to others, as they once did for us ;) Chrysalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972571880025416943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-36689329660788270102017-07-29T06:56:06.118+10:002017-07-29T06:56:06.118+10:00Amen :)
IMO, condemning Catholicism as a Christia...Amen :)<br /><br />IMO, condemning Catholicism as a Christian is like slapping your own grandparents in the face.<br /><br />You can disagree with them, criticize them, even refuse to support/enable certain actions - but we must still respect the fact that without our grandparents paving the way, there would be no us today :) Chrysalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972571880025416943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-38841186709972261182017-07-29T03:10:25.760+10:002017-07-29T03:10:25.760+10:00Dominus vobiscum, Chrsystal, et cum spiritu tuo. F...Dominus vobiscum, Chrsystal, et cum spiritu tuo. Finding the right path -when everyone is intent on asserting that all paths lead to the same place - is hard enough and staying on it even harder. Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-80137200898522803332017-07-29T03:03:43.863+10:002017-07-29T03:03:43.863+10:00I just did. All they have to do is read, as you do...I just did. All they have to do is read, as you do. <br /><br />What point are you trying to make that has not already been made a hundred times here?<br />Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-71760265439244073052017-07-29T02:23:45.039+10:002017-07-29T02:23:45.039+10:00They are not the treasures of the Church; they are...<i>They are not the treasures of the Church; they are the treasures of humanity.”</i><br /><br />Tell that to Paul Marcinkus, Banca Ambrosiano and P2.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-44124812412077428462017-07-29T01:53:32.130+10:002017-07-29T01:53:32.130+10:00After such an eloquent reply, I haven't much I...After such an eloquent reply, I haven't much IN reply lol - so I'll just say that had it not been for pooling the ideas of some well-educated, compassionate and sane Catholic, Anglican and even Jewish friends, I would've lost my faith altogether :) <br /><br />Point well taken that the church needs to obtain money to give it, which is something that apparently eludes the Catholic naysayer you mention.<br /><br />However, I'm not sure the compassion of the church is always shown with the hope for a return on investment, either financially or conversion of souls. At least I hope not. Perhaps I'm just naive or I'd just like to believe it isn't. <br /><br />I just know that when I personally am shown compassion - and I'm sure it's not done with an agenda or to procure obligation - I personally want to pay back in gratitude to them forever, as well as pay it forward to others - and that includes "paying forward" Christ's compassion for me. (But, ya know, we forget too sometimes and it's harder than ever to discern in this day and age :) ) <br /><br />And I know not everyone is that way - some take without thought to giving, some take but don't trust the giver perhaps in survival mode, some give and leave nothing left for themselves and then give and some have a good balance. We learn as we go I guess, following Christ's example if/when can (or remember) :)<br /><br />Hugs to you today, hope things are going well for you in Oz, despite all the nonsense. We have our own here, as I'm sure you're aware of too :)<br /><br />Again, I personally believe it depends on the individual and a little caution never hurt anyone :)<br /><br />As for public versus private funding, I tend to believe that greedy individuals will always be drawn to large organizations, private or state, but that we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater in either case - we need at least some regulation and even welfare by the state (particularly in terms of child welfare) but I know we don't agree much on that one so I'll stop there. :)<br /><br />:)Chrysalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972571880025416943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-42693249459151024542017-07-29T01:34:09.361+10:002017-07-29T01:34:09.361+10:00Thank you Chrystal. It is all too easy to overlook...Thank you Chrystal. It is all too easy to overlook the good when confronting the bad, and there are many bad christians around. But the Good shines through. And whether we cheer for one religion or another it is the quality of the individual that counts. His and her Love for God and the fellow man and woman in the street. And his and her ability to see through the hatreds of others who insist on seeing only the bad, or the downsides.<br /><br />It is when we confront the bad folk, those who would not simply walk on by the poor sod who was robbed on the road, but actually put the boot in, that we need to be discriminating. Offering kindness even to them is a 'Good' but wisdom tells us to keep one hand on the hilt of our sword. <br /><br />We may well value the life of others but we can only do that while alive ourselves. <br /><br />But then we come to Charity. As you say of Lexington, there are those who give and give, of material help and of themselves. And there are those who dismiss that givingness and demand the shirt off the giver's back. That is the way of the chap who demanded that the Vatican deliver up the treasures to feed the poor. Feeding the poor comes from sowing crops, not from handouts. The Catholic Church does both and it will never be enough for its critics.<br /><br />The wealth of the Catholic Church is not just in simple parish churches or in Cathedrals in prime city locations - built when the city was just a few rather poor dwellings - but the Hositals and Orphanages, the old-folks homes and hospices. In Britain it is unfortunate that such Catholic wealth was 'transferred' at the point of a sword into State hands. The critics would prefer to see that done worldwide.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-6570207612612624822017-07-29T00:24:43.798+10:002017-07-29T00:24:43.798+10:00I'm so sorry you have to contend with such ign...I'm so sorry you have to contend with such ignorance and prejudice. If it weren't for the Catholic church, we would have no other denominations, they set the bar :)<br /><br />And if it weren't for the Catholic Diocese of Lexington, there would be no "charity" in this town. <br /><br />And just now reading Terry's comment about St. Vincent de Paul - we wouldn't have much charity in this entire state if it weren't for SVDP, they set the state bar for that too :)<br /><br />I promise you, I just now this moment read Terry's comment and yours while typing my first sentence, so this next part is almost a PS/afterthought as I had no intention of even lightly touching on politics at all, I meant to reach out to you in and apologize for the ignorance of my brothers and sisters as a non-Catholic. <br /><br />However, if I may say now, IMO, we Christians help people of other faiths because of Christ's parable of the Good Samaritan. Christ was very clear about that.. The priest and the rabbi passed the man by, but the Samaritan helped him and Christ encouraged us to be like the Samaritan nonbeliever in compassion. <br /><br />Also, Christ's parable of the merciless servant comes into play here. After having shown us such grace and mercy, our master will one day show us as little or much mercy as we've shown other servants. <br /><br />Christ showed compassion and healed many who were not Jewish or Christian - Roman centurions, Canaanites, Samaritans - that was the point?<br /><br />Just my opinion though. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be cautious or enable nonsense, but to blanket-generalize based on people being of a different faith at all is a bit extreme, IMO. And I know a few Christians baddies too, particular of the evangelical sort. Nowhere in scripture does Christ (or anyone else) say to show favoritism with your compassion based on Christianity. <br /><br />I personally don't believe much of this current political conflict is really about religion anyway, I think it's really about oil, and both ISIS AND us use faith propaganda to 'recruit' (manipulate) people into 'military' action on both sides - but that's a whole other subject and I tend to write too much as it is!<br /><br />In fact, in summary, I think any sort of blanket-judgment prejudice is simple ignorance/lack of experience with people of that faith, their doctrine, or actual scripture, whether that prejudice be against Catholics or Muslims. Chrysalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09972571880025416943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-39844012529668042972017-07-28T20:30:05.392+10:002017-07-28T20:30:05.392+10:00I suppose the answer to the last part is that we a...I suppose the answer to the last part is that we are a nation of immigrants. My issue is not with taking folk in and being charitable, but which people we take in. Those that do not 'believe' have a chance of believing in Christ in time. Those that believe already in false gods and the destruction of Christians and pretty well anyone else who is not a believer in allah, should not be allowed in. <br /><br />The Catholic in the pew is a charitable person. Places like St. Vinnies rely on such people. I have never heard of a mohammedan moslem donating to St Vinnies. I would like to hear if it happens.Amfortashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474382097575605017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-776872662073607566.post-50402688929548025162017-07-28T20:12:52.481+10:002017-07-28T20:12:52.481+10:00I am a Catholic believer and can tell you that muc...I am a Catholic believer and can tell you that much of the gold was melted down and used to help the poor I have belonged to the St Vincent De Paul society and in a wealthy place like Australia I wonder why we take people in who are not of a Christian faith When we cannot look after our own people?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633856347493340709noreply@blogger.com